What was missing out was the masculine being present with her and feeling her, instead of just meeting her with a mind because that's gonna feel overpowering if you're in your emotions and in your body. Instead of being really present and say: I feel your rage, I understand it.

So yes, women test men to call them into presence and embodiment. And just an intellectual conversation is not enough. It's just gonna keep steering up the rage. So we need to find a way to have that conversation where both the body, the deeper wisdom, the deeper intelligence and the mind is there present on both sides. That's what I mean about having an intelligent conversation. It's not just a conversation of the mind, it's a conversation about what's real, what's aligned with life.

A reflection by psychotherapist Louise Mazanti on Cathy Newman's highly debated interview with Jordan Peterson on Channel 4 News.